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Do nurses get paid enough and if not, why not?
14 years 1 month ago - 14 years 1 month ago #890
by chloesheppard
Hi,
Reading through this lot's of vailid points here.
An earlier point brought up about general nursing more pressure and responsibility, I agree but surely we should be paying a lower ARF than them then?
Sorry but I just found out about the new ARF
Reading through this lot's of vailid points here.
An earlier point brought up about general nursing more pressure and responsibility, I agree but surely we should be paying a lower ARF than them then?
Sorry but I just found out about the new ARF
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14 years 1 month ago #850
by rhianp
just a quick question would anything happen if your insurance lapsed and you hadn't realised?
it's not happened but just a thought.
it's not happened but just a thought.
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14 years 2 months ago #822
by missie
I think that we are under paid and unsurpported by employers. at the moment the
BADN have published dental nurse salary guide lines. This is a hell of a lot more than a lot of us nurses are on .This should surely have to mean something.
I think since the changes were made for registration and cpd we are now classed as professional people and should have a professional pay packet !!!
I do agree that it is time to stand tall and be heard , it's time to make a difference.
BADN have published dental nurse salary guide lines. This is a hell of a lot more than a lot of us nurses are on .This should surely have to mean something.
I think since the changes were made for registration and cpd we are now classed as professional people and should have a professional pay packet !!!
I do agree that it is time to stand tall and be heard , it's time to make a difference.
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14 years 2 months ago #818
by Veena
I've just been reading through all the articals on this topic and it seems that a majority of the nurses are not happy and underpaid. I've been working as a dental nurse for 14 years, started off at a NHS pracrice then worked my way up to private practice in central london. No matter how experienced you are, how many qualifications you have and also how many courses/lectures you have been to you will never be appreciated by your employer. You wil not get the bonus, pay rise or even appreciated any more when you come back with some good ideas.
The clinic where i am now, pays really well, everyone is really nice , the hours are long however i am appreciated alot more by the dentist and other members of staff. The only down side i would have to say is that i dont get paid sick pay or have any courses paid for. On the positive side it's a nicer enviroment to work in.
I've worked at top London dental practice and most of you would think wow well paid job, well guess what girls for 42 + hours i was getting paid peanuts !!!!! I never complained, done what i was told, worked everyday all day without complaining and also went in when i was poorly. Still was not appreciated. Finaly came to my sense and left after 5 years of what i call slave labour, however the good side of working at the clinc was that it looked good on my resume and also i met some really nice people who i still keep in touch with.
With all this ARF/CPD/indeminity i have now come to the conclusion you are better off working in a different field where you would get a bonus and also not have to worry about anyone complaining against you (patients).
Good luck to all who have recently qualified, enjoy DN
The clinic where i am now, pays really well, everyone is really nice , the hours are long however i am appreciated alot more by the dentist and other members of staff. The only down side i would have to say is that i dont get paid sick pay or have any courses paid for. On the positive side it's a nicer enviroment to work in.
I've worked at top London dental practice and most of you would think wow well paid job, well guess what girls for 42 + hours i was getting paid peanuts !!!!! I never complained, done what i was told, worked everyday all day without complaining and also went in when i was poorly. Still was not appreciated. Finaly came to my sense and left after 5 years of what i call slave labour, however the good side of working at the clinc was that it looked good on my resume and also i met some really nice people who i still keep in touch with.
With all this ARF/CPD/indeminity i have now come to the conclusion you are better off working in a different field where you would get a bonus and also not have to worry about anyone complaining against you (patients).
Good luck to all who have recently qualified, enjoy DN
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14 years 3 months ago #757
by KLKennedy
Kirsty
I don't know anyone who gets that, well, that I'm aware of. But let's face it, if we didn't enjoy the job we wouldn't still be in it after all these years! It is a pain that we don't get pay which recognises our skills, but maybe we need to lobby the likes of the BADN to help fight for a better pay for DNs. It's a start if nothing else.... 
Kirsty
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14 years 3 months ago #725
by KLKennedy
Kirsty
Yeah, I know, Jadey. Sad thing is, you're left to do it all while i'm off. Like I said to him a couple of weeks ago, just show some appreciation..... Think we definitely need to set up our own wee network in our area, especially for GDP nurses as we're the lowest paid. Also could do with the BADN fighting DNs corner more on the whole wages front. We're now classed as professionals, so it's about time we were treated as such.
Kirsty
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14 years 3 months ago #721
by jaitchison
well said kirsty!! its just not fair we are so underpaid and underappreciated! love my job but begginning to feel that maybe i would be better of doing something else?? its ashame but our wages do not reflect all the hard work and committment we put in.
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14 years 7 months ago #142
by Vms118
Victorus Aut Mortis.
The discussion isn't about enjoyment...but I do know what you mean - the old addage comes to mind -
"If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten."
Thats why I am like so many in this career. In it to get to where I want to go. Means to an end.
And I'm glad you have enjoyed it so much. Confucius oncec said "Find a job you love and you will never work a day in your life. "
"If you do what you've always done, you'll get what you've always gotten."
Thats why I am like so many in this career. In it to get to where I want to go. Means to an end.
And I'm glad you have enjoyed it so much. Confucius oncec said "Find a job you love and you will never work a day in your life. "
Victorus Aut Mortis.
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14 years 7 months ago #108
by Vms118
Victorus Aut Mortis.
Sadly, I believe the first sentence in your post explains the reason why you are still happy 
Victorus Aut Mortis.
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14 years 7 months ago - 14 years 7 months ago #95
by hstuchfield
i also think its low pay for a qualifed and registered job, but i knew that before i decided to become a DN.
Lets hope for a rise when we all become a rariety as apparently 4,000 nurses didnt reregister this last year.
Lets hope for a rise when we all become a rariety as apparently 4,000 nurses didnt reregister this last year.
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14 years 7 months ago #77
by Vms118
Victorus Aut Mortis.
All good points.
@kf27 - your point is very valid. RGN's get paid more for a reason. Job is much harder and takes much more skill, the training is much longer and harder also to my knowledge.
@Hay_Zee - we do not get near enough credit for our hard work, your correct. such is life I guess? However, the reason they would not know where anythng is because that is not their job - thier main concern should be clinical issues not organisational ones i'd say
IN regards to courses duration, it'simportant to remember course content is more important and diffeent institutions actually change the time - mind took 2 years! it took forever....
@Louise - None of my opinions are inteneded to be provocative or are intended to cause offense, and also don't forget I am talking about my own career too...I'm just being realistic
@kf27 - your point is very valid. RGN's get paid more for a reason. Job is much harder and takes much more skill, the training is much longer and harder also to my knowledge.
@Hay_Zee - we do not get near enough credit for our hard work, your correct. such is life I guess? However, the reason they would not know where anythng is because that is not their job - thier main concern should be clinical issues not organisational ones i'd say
IN regards to courses duration, it'simportant to remember course content is more important and diffeent institutions actually change the time - mind took 2 years! it took forever.... @Louise - None of my opinions are inteneded to be provocative or are intended to cause offense, and also don't forget I am talking about my own career too...I'm just being realistic
Victorus Aut Mortis.
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14 years 7 months ago #69
by colette
DNs definately dont get paid well enough. Its a tough job with a lot of extras and responsibilities. We need to be more recognised as professionals and get more respect aswell as fair salaries!
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14 years 7 months ago #68
by Vms118
Victorus Aut Mortis.
Yes, Considering the costs, health risks and stress - DN's get paid very badly.
I think this will never change. Sad but I think true. You could argue that this is because unlike hospitals that are nationally funded and (usually) thoroughly inspected, dental practices are very spread out and independent. No matter how much the GDC looms and sends out gazzettes they never really seem to fo anything unless complaints are made to them.
I feel these factors make it very easy for canny business minded practice owners to hire untrained staff who accept the low pay as part of their job or simply resign. And therefore replace said untrained leaver with a similar person. And besides we need to face the fact that we ARE Very replaceable. Dentists, doctors and RGN's are not easily replaceable (to an extent) because they have all gone through rigorous and official training to even be considered for a position. Whereass...let's face facts, you could walk from a cash register to the surgery. My nurse trainer said it best "a monkey could do this job" (but not necassarily do it well)
Agree? Disagree? Am I missing something?
I think this will never change. Sad but I think true. You could argue that this is because unlike hospitals that are nationally funded and (usually) thoroughly inspected, dental practices are very spread out and independent. No matter how much the GDC looms and sends out gazzettes they never really seem to fo anything unless complaints are made to them.
I feel these factors make it very easy for canny business minded practice owners to hire untrained staff who accept the low pay as part of their job or simply resign. And therefore replace said untrained leaver with a similar person. And besides we need to face the fact that we ARE Very replaceable. Dentists, doctors and RGN's are not easily replaceable (to an extent) because they have all gone through rigorous and official training to even be considered for a position. Whereass...let's face facts, you could walk from a cash register to the surgery. My nurse trainer said it best "a monkey could do this job" (but not necassarily do it well)
Agree? Disagree? Am I missing something?
Victorus Aut Mortis.
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14 years 7 months ago #33
by MLA
Hi again...
The first thing we need to think about
Who wants to work for "Us"?
Initially we will need people willing to get into the all the laws , rules and regulations.All the costs for qualifications, and post qualifications.
Then we need to establish what are we all earning today?
There are a few differences, as some are working in a dental hospital, some as Temporary dental nurses ,some private and some NHS.
When we have done that, we know where we stand.
Then we need to value the job we are doing.That means WHAT are we actually doing?(this could be VERY interesting!)
It will be difficult to work that out, but without anything substantial, we can't be seen as serious.(Do our homework is possibly the word for it)
We need
arguments, which we will get from the above.
Then we need the " united we stand" aura about us.
First when we have the status we deserve, we can "go for it"!
Well, this is the initial thoughts I have and I am sure there are more good ideas out there!
The first thing we need to think about
Who wants to work for "Us"?
Initially we will need people willing to get into the all the laws , rules and regulations.All the costs for qualifications, and post qualifications.
Then we need to establish what are we all earning today?
There are a few differences, as some are working in a dental hospital, some as Temporary dental nurses ,some private and some NHS.
When we have done that, we know where we stand.
Then we need to value the job we are doing.That means WHAT are we actually doing?(this could be VERY interesting!)
It will be difficult to work that out, but without anything substantial, we can't be seen as serious.(Do our homework is possibly the word for it)
We need
arguments, which we will get from the above.
Then we need the " united we stand" aura about us.
First when we have the status we deserve, we can "go for it"!
Well, this is the initial thoughts I have and I am sure there are more good ideas out there!
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14 years 7 months ago #19
by MLA
I think the salary here is low compared to many countries.BUT we now need to be a bit more united and work for a difference.
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14 years 7 months ago - 14 years 7 months ago #16
by mm21
I just don't understand why dental nurse salary is so low in the UK compared to Australia and New Zealand considering registration and continuing professional development......
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